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North America... or Europe? by Laiqua-lasse North America... or Europe? by Laiqua-lasse
In the 13th century, the Mongol hordes swept across Europe. The fractured Rus states could not stop them. The Kingdoms of Poland, Lithuania and Hungary did not stop them. The full might of the Holy Roman Empire faltered against the horse archers. Soon, all of Europe was forced to pay tribute to the great Khan. Obviously, many people were upset by these developments, but there seemed to be no hope to overthrow these new masters. England, the last remaining European country not subject to the Mongol yoke, was by no means able to mount any effective assault. Everything seemed gone for Europe, until finally word came of new uncharted lands in the West, brought back by Scandinavian sailors. A mass exodus to this „;promised land“ began, and in 1355, Spanish ships landed in what is in OTL known as Florida. In a hundred years, most of the European countries were re-established on the other side of the world, together with several native states. The English, however, mostly stayed on their island, and whatever few people settled in the New World swore allegiance to the throne in London. In the late 15th century, a second wave of colonization began with ships of the Cordovan Emir and the Parishan Khan landing in the New World. The scramble of its southern portion had begun.
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Ogre667 Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2017
love the "what if's" good job
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Laiqua-lasse Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2017
Thanks :)
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finnz99 Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2016
awesome map, do you mind if i use this as a basemap? i will change it a bit but its a good place to start for something I'm thinking about doing. if it's ever posted anywhere you'll get full credit for the map.
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Laiqua-lasse Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2016
Go ahead :) Just give me a link when/if you post something made using it, I'd like to see what you come up with.
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InfernoMole Featured By Owner Edited Jan 25, 2016
What do you think the future of this world will be like? And what is that green spot under the Mayans?
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Laiqua-lasse Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2016
I don't think I ever invented much more for this timeline.

That green spot is part of the Hansa, IIRC.
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InfernoMole Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2016
How is the Grand Duchy of Novgorod doing? I suppose it's in an alliance with Byzantium, isn't it? (But hey! At least we have no Seljuks to deal with!)

And, if anything, I suspect that it were the Europeans who were at the mercy of the Native Americans.
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Laiqua-lasse Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2016
Yeah, no Seljuks :) I guess Novogorod is doing fine, for being a landlocked country so far north. River trade is flourishing, though.

I suspect that when the Europeans first arrived, they were at the mercy of the natives, but pretty soon would have been able to exert their own influence and push the natives out or subsume them within their states.
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Void-Wolf Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I reckon they were assimilated into the various new kingdoms and influenced them to some extent
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InfernoMole Featured By Owner Edited Jan 25, 2016
What are the native states (Innu, Navajo and the Aztecs) like?

Are there any old and new alliance systems between the countries? And how the hell the Pechenegs got their own colony?!
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Laiqua-lasse Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2016
No idea about the first one; again, this isn't part of any fleshed-out timeline :)

There are certainly some alliances, but nothing I had set in stone.

I would imagine that the Pechenegs migrated west, pushed by the Mongols, so their realm might be somewhere in northern Iberia/southern Gallia, for example.
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InfernoMole Featured By Owner Edited Jan 26, 2016
There was certainly some cultural exchanging: nowadays, the current Aztec emperor is probably wearing an European crown with some feathers adorned with.

I suspect those western Pechenegs are of the "in-name-only" sort, like Bulgaria. After all, Bulgaria started out as a Slavic tsardom under Turkic overlords, who ended up being assimilated into the people they ruled over.

I also suspect that Third Rome, Novgorod and Israel are in an alliance.
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Laiqua-lasse Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2016
Don't see why not :)
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InfernoMole Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2016
I'm thinking of doing a cover.

Say, who was the guy going by the surname Graille? Was he so important that the Frenchmen named an entire continent after him?
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Laiqua-lasse Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2016
Go for it!

"La Terre du Graille" was my botched attempt at suggesting that for the French, this was a land as precious as the Holy Grail, so that's why they named it as such :)
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godofwarlover Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2014
I hope to God the Lakota and the other Native American tribes aren't extinct in this
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Laiqua-lasse Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2014
Good point, I didn't consider what would happen to those tribes as the Europeans advanced. I suppose the diseases would decimate them much like in our world, but socially, there might be more integration rather than extermination. After all, the technological difference is much smaller, the Europeans don't have the backing of their mother countries beyond the sea, and the natives can be very useful when settling down.
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godofwarlover Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2014
Still, I have this feeling that the Europeans were still the convert or die type of people however
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Void-Wolf Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
They didn't have the biggest advantages though like the colonists and the early colonies (like the British) kinda collasped. I figure the colonists were not as picky, especially since I figure they couldn't take everything. Beggers can't be choosers after all.
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godofwarlover Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2016
If you say so. It's just wouldn't be out of character for them to be like that
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Void-Wolf Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Only the most fantanical. I imagine the general public would be smarter than that since they don't have any leverage
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godofwarlover Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2016
Well, these guys came here in the 1300s. Inquisition was still popular at the moment
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Void-Wolf Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
True, but it's hard to enforce these sort of things.  They were less colonists and more liek refugees.
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Laiqua-lasse Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2014
Most likely. But once you convert, you can join the European society. I'd imagine something similar to the indigenous tribes of South America, with most of them accepting Christianity and not being killed off.
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godofwarlover Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2014
Yeah, but assimilation is basically cultural genocide
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Void-Wolf Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Unless the cultures influence those of the kingdoms or if they have autonomous areas where they just pay tributes and such.
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godofwarlover Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2016
Maybe they did or not
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Laiqua-lasse Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2014
You could say that, I suppose. But a long time later, there could be all sorts of revival movements :)
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godofwarlover Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2014
I hope so
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scorpionlover42 Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2013
Who knows? Something like this could well have happened if the Mongol invasion of Europe had continued. It's an interesting idea, and I love this image.
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Laiqua-lasse Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2013
I somehow doubt European nations would have moved to America en masse. By that time, there was hardly any knowledge of lands to the West (remember, this is 200 years before Columbus!), so I would imagine perhaps some few fleets of the westernmost rulers moving west in a desperate hope of salvation, but nothing more.

Thanks for the compliment though :)
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Void-Wolf Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
True, but Leif Erikson pretty much was there back in the turn of the millenium and Scandanavia has the advantage. With the Mongols and refugees, I'd figure they'd expand mroe changes into going west.
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Laiqua-lasse Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2016
That's true, some Scandinavian rulers might try to reach the (by then probably semi-legendary) Vinland.
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Void-Wolf Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, the Empire of Vinland is quite massive there
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Laiqua-lasse Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2016
They had some head start over the others.
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scorpionlover42 Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2013
You're right about that. I doubt that entire nations could or would have moved, but you've described how I think this map could come about. Members of ruling families and the upper classes who could afford it and were desperate enough--wholesale Mongol slaughter is a good motivator- could head west and declare their new holdings the new Kingdom of Scotland, etc. Oh, and some peasants, too. Somebody's got to till the fields.
Heck, what if the pope fled and reestablished a Rome of sorts in the New World? What if the Mongol invasion receded--black death or something else reduces their interest in Europe. Suddenly, we may have two popes, two kings of such and such. Which is the 'legitimate' one?
And again, I enjoy that map.
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Laiqua-lasse Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2013
Those are some very cool ideas :)
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scorpionlover42 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013
Thank you very much. I'm a fan of alternate history.
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crisandm Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This is amazing. any chance of a europe map.
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Laiqua-lasse Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012
Thanks :) Maybe, one day...
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NeuStrasbourg Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2009
Arrrgh, I hate you, I wanted to do the very same thing (almost) it seemed so original.... :D

Anyhooooow, Great work. And: LOL, we germans end up as the "south states", what a coincidence^^
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Fetch26291 Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2010
Actually, Castile is the 'southern states'. You Germans got Texas and parts of the Southwest Midwestern states.

Interesting how the Jerusalem, Israel here = Salt Lake City, Utah OTL.
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Fetch26291 Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2010
(correction) Texas, parts of the Southwestern and Midwestern states, and part of Mexico.
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Laiqua-lasse Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2009
Thank you :) There's nothing saying you should not do another take on this idea, I'd like to see it.
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